[Jacksonville, FL] Last week, it was announced that the Jacksonville Jaguars NFL team had been sold to super-successful Illinois businessman Shahid Khan. The deal was reported to be worth $760 million and includes a somewhat controversial first for the league.
Khan is a Pakistani-born Muslim, and will be the first of his faith to own a National Football League team. NFL team ownership is considered to be the ultimate trophy for American billionaires.
The sale is not 100% final, however, it still has to get approval from the league and the other owners, but Khan has had an ongoing relationship with the league for ten years so it seems a sure thing.
The Muslim-American community, which has been under attack since 9-11, no doubt sees Khan’s ownership as a sign that America is moving in the right direction, despite a vocal minority hell bent on demonizing all Muslims.
“He is the first … shows how American Muslims are integrating,” said Hassan Shibly, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American Islam Relations.
The Jacksonville Jaguars press release talking up the sale didn’t mention the fact that Khan was Muslim. That was probably a good thing – on the same day the sale was announced, it was also revealed that long-time head coach Jack Del Rio had been fired and assistant coach Mel Tucker – an African-American – would be taking over.
Photo: Jim Messer
This year, the Jacksonville Jaguars have made a bigger impact in the news than on the field
For redneck racist types – and in North Florida there are more than a few – the fact that the white owner and white coach of their hometown NFL franchise were replaced by a Pakistani-born Muslim and a black guy was just too much to take, especially in ONE DAY.
This Jaguars ownership change could be the final straw that sends Confederate flag flyers fleeing pro football for the warm, white blanket of NASCAR.
Just last year, members of the Jacksonville City Council jumped on the Muslim hate train in what was described as a huge embarrassment for the region. Parvez Ahmed – a University of North Florida professor, Fulbright Scholar and Muslim – had his Human Rights Commission nomination sent back to the Rules Committee because of “constituent concerns.”
It had already been approved, mind you. But that was before the Islamophobes in the ACT! For America organization made a bunch of noise and the spineless jellyfish on the city council caved to their concerns.
Almost on cue, conservative news sites were rife with ugly comments about Khan’s big play.
“I wonder if Khan has any friends who are terrorists?,” asks forgotten man on www.FreeRepublic.com. “Rush Limbaugh was not allowed to buy into the Rams, but a Muslim from Pakistan can buy the Jaguars. Go figure.”
Forgotten man must have forgotten that Limbaugh has made multiple controversial racist remarks about black athletes over the years and that many players indicated that they would not play for Limbaugh’s team if he was even a part owner.
Khan just happens to have a religion in common with some people who have committed terrorist acts in the name of their god. The same could be said about any of the major religions.
When CNN ran the story, the comments sections was literally boiling over with stupidity, hate and a bit of Star Trek movie related humor (1982′s Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan features Captain Kirk famously yelling “KHAAANNNN!,” a familiar refrain in the comments section).
The awful stuff was counteracted by some progressive Jags/NFL fans protective of their city/league and of the new owner.
On CNN, Terri surmised, “That is how the Pakistani’s will get even with the United States. They plan to buy the NFL, one team at a time, and move it to Pakistan.”
Also on CNN, someone calling themselves Pakastani [sic] wrote, “The name of the new team will be the Jacksonville Jihadis. Expect the cheerleaders to show some ankle during games!”
DisgustedNY was concerned that, “Now you have some guy who grew up in Pakistan dictating what happens with an American tradition.”
But they weren’t all an embarrassment to America’s melting pot philosophy. JaxFan noted the political ramifications of Khan’s ownership, saying that, “The level of religious ignorance and intolerance represented in some of the city’s supposed leaders will make it absolutely hilarious to see those same anti-gay, anti-Muslim religious righties having to kiss the butt of a Muslim who now holds the keys to the Jaguars and their possible relocation.”
Photo: Jim Messer
The Jacksonville community loves their team (and t-shirt cannons)
“I think any comments challenging the prospective buyer’s ‘credentials’ as an American are immature,” offered Jeremy. “The guy has been here 40+ years, went to school for engineering here (actually did a degree that is USEFUL), worked for an American company, started his own American company (notice from the link posted above, that ALL the factories for his company are in the US?), and finally has had a dream of buying an NFL team.”
“America was founded based on principles of freedom of religion,” continued Jeremy. “I say let him take the team and see what he can do with it!”
Things were about the same on Yahoo! News … Mac offered: “A new way to launder money to the terrorists. Wonderful.” And from John: “Sold to Islamic Terrorist from Pakistan.”
Jake was downright racist in saying that, “schweet! sell them to a Sand Monkey.” And from Thomas: “I think he got the money to buy the team by tipping off where Bin Laden was hiding.”
DEF appeared to be a buoy of reason in a sea of hate and stupidity, analyzing that, “As a 20-year resident of Jacksonville, I can say that this is the most conservative bible belt town I have ever lived in. It has a huge redneck/conservative Christian base not to mention that many of them have their predisposed prejudices against Muslims.”
“This new owner … has a great opportunity to change Jacksonville for the better,” he said.
Although DEF cautions Khan – and he makes a good point in doing so that if Khan moves the team from Jacksonville (as has been widely speculated) that he, “could certainly see many in Jacksonville reacting by building a much deeper hatred for Muslims. … It could get ugly.”
I think you mean uglier.
By: Mark Christopher/Sunshine Slate
Images: Khan and his wife (via Jacksonville Jaguars), others (By: Jim Messer)
I was surprised when I tried to read this article. I wanted to learn more about the new owner of our Jacksonville Jags. For you to sterotype and racialy profile a city and NASCAR as racist due to unacceptable post on the faceless Internet lacks journalistic integrity. Something the writer of this post boast he belives in. I also found the following quote form this websites about page, first sentence interesting, “Launched in May 2011, The Sunshine Slate aims to bring original, unbiased reporting on events affecting the state’s residents in a clean, easy-to-read format.” Well every once in awhile one slips by. Mr. Christopher it is obvious why you post to the Internet as a hobby, by the look of your work you are not a paid journalist. Your biase and hatred is evident. Here in Northeast Florida we are southern, but that doesn’t mean every resident is a racist. Good Day
Mr. Breeze,
This is an opinion piece, first of all. Second – I have lived in FL my entire life, I know the realities of the demographics. NASCAR – which I have attended multiple times – is EXTREMELY white. Like country music, NASCAR is the last refuge of those white people who do not wish to associate with people of color. That doesn’t mean that all NASCAR fans are racist, that means that if you are racist and looking for sports, where else can you go?
If you read the piece again, I do not say that ALL Jax residents are racists, I merely say that racism is alive and well there, and that racists will have a difficult time with the news. I think my sampling of comments and the city council’s decision proved my point.
What hatred? For white people? I am white. I am embarrassed by white people every day. Hatred? Only for racists, bigots, corporate criminals and people who post comments on websites who failed to grasp the meaning of the article they just read.
Just kidding about that last part, it just sounded funny and I was on a roll. Again, don’t hate you DJ Cool Breeze.
Thanks for commenting. Would love to hear more.
Gee LA has a hockey team how many blacks to you see there?? They also have snow sking and swimming and the blacks agttend that as well??
Mandinka:
Stop confusing Mark with your racist facts, racist!
Mark:
Ever heard of an Oikophobe?
racist facts?? guess that’s something that everyone should ascribe to
First of all you are trying to paint JAX FL as being white trash people who will not accept a moslem owning their team..#1 ISLAM is not a RACE of people it is a POLITICAL IDEOLGOY that uses it’s section of RELIGION to infiltrate civilized countries in order to spread ISLAM..www.politicalIslam.com
You sound like a guy with a chip on his shoulder that has no clue to the true intent of moslems in America..they do want to DOMINATE the GLOBE you can see that if you look past your attempts at being politically correct in acting like YOU ACCEPT a moslem team owner and no one else would…Smart people do not sit by idly while Islam marches on to one day take away your freedoms…and it is a FACT that Moslems in America do fund JIHAD against us all the time with the wealth they make doing business in America..but you would know that if you were smart so trying to slam a previous article about that shows you are not as smart as you want to appear…
Moslems have a vision for AMERICA and it does include SHARIA LAW dominating us…This site is run by a moslem in California named REZA SOLTANI so yes they walk amongst us folks…www.shariah4America.com
You had better thank god some of those armed red necks are in FL because if they were not you would see moslem violence like they see in the UK,SWEDEN< GERMANY, FRANCE etc etc…actually if it were not for those RED NECK NASCAR fans I bet you money you would see moslems doing like they do in the UK forcing SHARIA COMPLIANT ZONES everywhere…But if you were wise you would not be applauding a moslem buying a team and moving it…you would be exposing ISLAM for what it is and help wake up more citizens to our future under Sharia Law if we are not careful…
Yeah it is an opinion piece and this is also my opinion which includes FACTS…. You had better thank GOD almighty that we still have the right to speak the truth on ISLAM because soon..12-14 DEC 2011 HILLARY CLINTON meets with the OIC to speak to the moslems about banning all criticism of ISLAM….http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203687504577005972874755662.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
So just keep thinking the red necks are the enemy and you will get a huge surpise one day.
Oh..BTW if you are unaware of what the QURAN SAYS to do to the KAFIR then you are not wise enough on ISLAM to speak about RED NECKS being prejudiced
Oh..and I am from WINTER PARK FL myself…
you are exactly the kind of person he is writing about. Thank you for showing your prejudice and making the author’s point
And you are exactly the kind of person that Proud Kafir is writing about. Thank you for showing your ignorance and dhimmitude.
Right on!
Lol Moray Watson and Proud Kafir, maybe you should stop reading bigot, racist, Islamophobic websites that are meant to create fear over a RELIGION not political ideology. And thank you, ProudKafir for making me laugh, I hope you know you sound absolutely ridiculous. And by the way, its spelled Muslims. Haha if you are “wise enough on ISLAM”, why can’t you spell it right? Please read a legitimate source on Islam. http://www.cair.com/AboutIslam/Islambasics.aspx
Thanks! =)
kafir,
Your argument is severely flawed. You begin by denouncing Mark for supposedly labeling a city as white trash, but then you label an entire people belonging to a religion as terrorists. You have no merit and are illogical…
I am an American born Muslim, with parents who immigrated to America from Pakistan in search of a better life (not to “dominate the globe”). I am not a terrorist, have never funded jihad, and will never support the implementation of Sharia Law in the US.
Although there are people that misinterpret the Quran and Islam, those people are in the minority compared to the genuine Muslims (like my family, community, and every other Muslim I know). We all believe in the true teachings of Islam; we believe in peace and tranquility.
I have no ill will towards you (although you do against me and people similar to me), and I wish you the best.
Proud Muslim,
Thanks for Identifying me as a Kafir (described in the Quran and sunna as the lowest form of life…lower than animals and is Fasik and must be killed as stated in the Tafsir by Ibn Kathir)
I am glad you have no ill will towards me. However, you have stated two statments which very nicely demonstrate the Duality which exists in Islam. You state you Have no Ill wil toward me ( A Kafir) but also state you believe in the TRUE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.
Then you are familiar with Progressive Revealation, Abrogation, and Taqiyya.
While early peaceful verses exist in the Quran the habe been abrogated by more militant Authoritative verses with the final verse in regard to Jihad being 9:5 the verse of the Sword.
Now stating an early peaceful verse to decieve the enemy (because Muhammed said war is deceit) is part of Taqiyya or HOLY DECEPTION to further the spread of Islam.
Muhammad being the perfect man or model and has many such examples of deception.
In the Umdat Al Salik or Sacred Islamic Law Manual Jihad is obligatory on all MUSLIMS, which you profess to be. Jihad is defined in your law manual as Islamic warfar against Non-Muslim to establish the religion. Book of Justice o 9.0.
I have heard similar things from other Muslims and when I asked them to denounce The Sharia Law Manual and or this specific verse they will not…because according to the Manual they become Apostates.
Now Jihad is waged in 5 ways, Jihad Qital (Violence), with pen, mouth, (to deceive non muslims), heart (to smile in the face of some and pretend to be their friends while cursing them and the non muslim govt you live under until it can be converted), and now Jihad with Money or Sharia Compliant Finance, which includes Zakat… 7th category funds jihad (2.5% annual wealth to Zakat and 1/8 to all 8 categories, with exeption of the Hanbali who can give all to one category).
So you are either a secular Muslim and do not understand doctrine and an apostate in accordance with all authoritative Islamic texts, or you are a devout Muslim practicing taqiyya or holy deception.
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Another anti-Sharia wingnut in action. I guess the blood of Norwegian kids don’t matter to you by your beloved hero Anders Behring Breivik, huh? Do us a favor and don’t try to shoot up a Democrat youth camp in the process in a bid to emulate your culture warrior from Norway, miserable vermin.
P.S. I ask you to condemn the gang rapes of Serbian war criminals, but I doubt you will since your type love dead Muslim women (even secular ones).
P.P.S. Don’t you have a Planned Parenthood clinic to protest at? We all know your type whine about treatment of Muslim women, but support restricting the ferility rights of women in America, hypocrite.
wow defending muslims and in favor of abortions. man your parents must be proud of you
LOL every single day MOSLEMS are killing people..50+ just now in your beloved ASHURA FESTIVALS alone
You are lame..Islam is 1400 YEARS of KILLING others…I say we should just stand back and let them starve and kill each other off. 
I never said a WORD about ABORTION ya see who the hypocrite is..lol..You are lame and should go martyr yourself on a FRIDAY at your local mosque…:) That would be the best thing for you and your inbred bloodline…
Proud Kafucktard,
I’m sorry but were you talking about the incestuous relations with your sister at your local trailer park? Go back to cheering the murder of George Till by your right-wing hero Scott Roeder, who is the poster child for right wing Evangelical Christians who are so fanatically pro-life they will not hesitate to murder to make their point across.
Taqiyya? Thats a pillow. I don’t exactly know how thats holy deception… Unless you meant INception??
Also, you should know that there is no “Book of Justice” or any other books within the Quran. Its just the Holy Quran with different Surahs within. I don’t know what kind of twisted version of Islam that you are making up, but its wayyyyy more malicious than the real Islam that is the fastest growing religion and that 5.6 Billion Muslims practice all over the world. How about you study actual Islam rather than making up your own version? I’m sure you’ll find that more to your liking. =)Btw, stay away from your pillow, I might practice inception! LOL
MYA,
Please be honest. the Umdat Al Salik or Reliance of the Traveller (two L’s) is the approved english and Arabic Translation of Sacred Islamic Law.
Book O (Book of Justice) is just one of the many books on the essentially desktop legal reference which has volumes of the tafsir which goes into much greater detail.
It has the seal of apporoval of Al Azhar University, The fiqh Counil of Jedda, the Fiqh Council of N. America, The International Intstitute of Islamic Thought, as well as the grand Mufti of Syria, Egypt, and Jordan.
It is authoritative Islamic Law and not My Opinion.
YOU need to get your fact straight! It is NOT just the Quran with different suras. Than this had Ijma or scholarly consensus.
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Randy McDaniels: As a practicing Muslim, I can tell you that the ONLY book we follow is the Quran. Period. No if and or buts. As an aid to the Quran we follow the Ahadith (the sayings of the Prophet) and the Sunnah (the actions of the Prophet) . I grew up a practicing Muslim and I have never once practiced any of.these practices you say Muslims do everyday. Honestly never even heard of it. Sob beg that you take a look at orthodox Islam, its not what you think.
MYA… Really?
So, you do not follow the Sunna of the prophet as an example to live by?
More Deception.
Well fortunately ALL Islamic Scholars were in 100% unanimous agreement this was not the case. That the Quran was the primary source of of Islamic Law as the word of Allah, however every thing refers to his messenger Muhammad who gave the revealation and was the perfect model for the Muslim to follow.
Quran, Sunna, Ijitihad, and Ijma is the final authoritative source of all Islamic Law. If you and Jo will give your full names and denounce authoritative sacred Islamic Law… you might get my attention.
Howeve, the Book I cite, is not MY BOOK but YOUR BOOK of Islamic law and accepted by all four Sunni Schools , Hanbali, Maliki, Shaf’i, and Hanafi as well as both major Shia School of Islamic Jurisprudence.
No amount of deception is you are trying to foist on my fellow Americans will change the facts.
So see what the Scholars had to say with 100% unanimous agreement as dictated in the Umdat Al Salik or Sacred Islamic Law Manual:
b7.0 SCHOLARLY CONSENSUS (IJMA’)
b7.1 (‘Abdal-Wahhab Khallaf:) Scholarly consensus (ijma’) is the agreement of all the mujtahids
(def:o22.1(d)) of the Muslims existing at one particular period after the Prophet’s death (Allah bless him
and give him peace) about a particular ruling regarding a matter or event. It may be gathered from this
that the integral elements of scholarly consensus are four, without which it is invalid:
(a) that a number of mujtahids exist at a particular time:
(b) that all mujtahids of the Muslims in the period of the thing or event agree on its ruling, regardless
of their country, race, or group, though nonmujtahids are of no consequence;
(c) that each mujtahid present his opinion about the matter in an explicit manner, whether verbally, by
giving a formal legal opinion on it, or practically, by giving a legal decision in a court case concerning it;
(d) and that all mujtahids agree on the ruling, for if a majority of them agree, consensus is not
effected, no matter how few those who contradict it, nor how many those who concur.
b7.2 When the four necessary integrals of consensus exist, the ruling agreed upon is an authoritative
part of Sacred Law that is obligatory to obey and not lawful to disobey. Nor can mujtahids of a
succeeding era make the thing an object of new ijtihadm because the ruling on it, verified by scholarly
consensus, is an absolute legal ruling which does not admit of being contravened or annulled.
b7.3 The proof of the legal authority of scholarly consensus is that just as Allah Most Glorious has
ordered the believers, in the Koran, to obey Him and His Messenger, so too He has ordered them to
obey those of authority (ulu al-amr) among them, saying,
“O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Prophet and those of authority among you” (koran 4:59).
such that when those of authority in legal expertise, the mujitahids, agree upon a ruling, it is obligatory
in the very words of the Koran to follow them and carry out their judgement. And Allah threatens those who
oppose the Messenger and follow other than the believers’ way, saying,
“Whoever contraverts the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than
the believers’ way, We shall give him over to what he has turned to and roast him in hell, and how evil
an outcome” (Koran 4:115).
b7.4 A second evidentiary aspect is that a ruling agreed upon by all the mujtahids in the Islamic
Community (Umma) is in fact the ruling of the Community, represented by its mujtahids, and there are
many hadiths that have come from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), as well as quotes
from the Companions, which indicate that the Community is divinely protected from error, including his
saying (Allah bless him and give him peace):
(1) “My Community shall not agree on an error.”
(2) “Allah is not wont to make my Community concur on misguidance.”
(3) “That which the Muslims consider good, Allah considers good.”(`Ilm usul al-fiqh (y71), 45-47)
b7.5 (n: Another hadith that scholars quote in connection with the validity of scholarly consensus is the
following, given with its commentary.)
The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,
“Allah’s hand is over the group, and whoever dissents from them departs to hell.”
Allah’s hand is over the group (al-`Azizi:) Munawi says, “Meaning His protection and preservation of them,
signifying that the collectivity of the people of Islam are in Allah’s fold, so be also in Allah’s shelter, in the
midst of them, and do not separate yourselves from them. “The rest of the hadith, accordng to the one who
first recorded it (n: Tirmidhi), is, and whoever dissents from them departs to hell. Meaning that whoever
diverges from the overwhelming majority concerning what is lawful or unlawful and on which the
Community does not differ has slipped off the path of guidance and this will lead him to hell (al-Siraj
al-munir sharh al-Jami’ al-saghir (y18), 3.449).
b7.6 (n: In addition to its general interest as a formal legal opinion, the following serves in the present
context to clarify why other than the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence do not necessarily play a role
in scholarly consensus.)
(`Abd al-Rahman Ba’alawi:) Ibn Salah reports that there is scholarly consensus on its being unlawful
to follow rulings from schools other than those of the four Imams, meaning in one’s personal works, let
alone give court verdicts or formal legal opinions to people from the, because of the untrustworthiness
of the ascription of such rulings to the scholars who reportedly gave them, there being no channels of
transmission which obviate the possibility of textual corruption and spurious substitutions.
The Zaydis, for example, who trace themselves to Zayd ibn ‘Ali Husayn (n:son of ‘Ali and Fatima),
the beatitude of Allah be upon them, despite the fact that Zayd was one of Imams of the religion and a
renowned figure well qualified to give guidance to those seeking it, his followers identify him with
extreme permissiveness on many questions, ascriptions based on failure to check as to what his positions
actually were (n: by naming the intermediate transmitters and establishing their reliability). It is quite
otherwise with the four schools, whose Imams (Allah reward them) have spent themselves in checking
the positions of their schools, explaining what could be rigorously authenticated as the position of the
person it was attributed to, and what could not be. Their scholars have thus achieved safety from
textual corruption and have been able to discern the genuine from the poorly authenticated (Bughya almustarshidin
fi talkhis fatawa ba’d al-a’imma min al-muta’akhkhirin (y19),8).
Publicly denounce Sharia Law and the specific verse in writing with you full name and address for verification for the Muslim world to see and you will get my attention.
Not some anonymous PROUD MUSLIM.
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And we all will ask you to publicly denounce the Evangelical Christians who are campaigning to slaughter homosexuals in Uganda and demand the closure of abortion clinics.
LOL Funny you call people WINGNUT..yet you defend a 7th century barbaric ideology that wants to kill all JEWS and non moslems..lol..You have the nerve to even mention people slaughtering HOMOSEXUALS…while moslems thigh young boys at weddings and love their BACHA BAZI boys..funny boys can be dressed and used like girls but women can not dance for men…
Yet moslems HANG gays all day long…No one is more HYPOCRITICAL than a moslem…:) nor as inbred and violent 
Abortion Clinics and being gay is no crime in AMERICA but you can not say that for ISLAMIC countries….lol..you islam lovers and defenders are pitiful. FACTS are FACTS and you can not change them
Christians anywhere in the WORLD are no where near as VILE and VIOLENT as moslems…that is also a FACT…www.persecution.org
why??
Proud Kafucktard,
Tell me why do gay kids continue to be bullied in our high schools to the point where they end up either killing themselves or end up murdered by white Christian kids? Sure being gay isn’t a crime in America…yet…but your beloved right wing wackos like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann as well as Bryan Fischer of the AFA are downright desperate to do so, but hey, the only reason you oppose Shariah is because it’s not your faith that is dictating the social mores. Replace Shariah with Christian Biblical Law and you would be supporting it with glee.
“Christians anywhere in the WORLD are no where near as VILE and VIOLENT as moslems…that is also a FACT…www.persecution.org”
Tell that to Catholic Croats and Bosnian Muslim women who suffered the brunt of the assault from those Christian Serbs you Islamophobic tards often praise. Gang rapes of Muslim women in concentration camps during the 90s and let’s not forget what Christians did during the Holocaust.
Get yourself a brain you idiot loon…and a job while you’re at it. I know it’s really hard to find a job but it’s not healthy to spend your time posting propaganda when it would be better spent doing something productive in your life.
MEH,
Big difference…. People who kill in the name of Christianity ARE NOT CHRISTIANS….as it goes against everything CHRIST taught. They are disobeying every tentent of their religion.
However, when a Muslim kills non-Muslims in the Name of Allah.. he is obeying the verses in the Quran which have authority.
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Any muslim who opposes shariah is Okay by me (but by definition, he’s probably not much of a muslim).
Then why aren’t the so-called moderate Muslims screaming bloody murder over their religion being hijacked by a minority of radicals? Your community’s silence is deafening.
Actually, if we denounce them anymore I feel we would run out of breath. As much as Muslims denounce it the more people ignore it. Its just never publicized as much as it should. but here, let me do it for you one more time: Those overseas who are using my religion to commit crimes that are not allowed and wrongly using a Holy Book to do so. They are a disgrace to humankind and are not following Islam. They are not Muslims.
Right on, Pammy!!
Yah.. they all denounce Shariah law… until, of course, it suits them as a convenience. As their number grow.. so does their activities in forcing compliance.
you go girl tell it like it is.
my hubby is a redneck and one of the very best person i know.
you don,t have to be any color to be a hater you just have to be a
nisty person.
keep letting the muslims do as they wish in our country and you,ll wake up one day to find out it is,nt ours anymore
sorrie hard to write with a little boy on ur lap.
i meant to say nasty.
Maybe that little boy should be taken away from you and placed in a family that doesn’t spend their time posting bigotry on news sites.
I’ll be happy to report you to CPS if you’d like.
Proud Kafir, you are nothing but a FALSE PROPEGANDA, people do their own research these days not fall into lies and hate from m@rons like you
Last refuge of those who do not want to associate with people of color? Wow, that’s dripping with ignorance, no matter how many races you claim to have attended.
And meanwhile watching the Monday night game it appears the stands are full of people with signs greeting Mr Khan, wearing face mustaches in some sort of mustache solidarity thing.
Chris,
Here is an unbiased piece about Shahid Khan and Parvez Ahmed whom you mentioned and the Jaguars.
http://www.redcounty.com/content/new-jags-owner-shahid-khan-parvez-ahmed-and-local-media
your idea of “fact” is to smear Mr. Ahmed. CAIR is an American Civil Rights organization dedicated to integration. For people like you, any group of Muslims that organize are terrorists and the proof is you cannot name ONE single authentically Muslim group you don’t hate and accuse of treason…as if freedom of assembly does not apply to American Muslims…news flash…IT DOES
Abdul,
Guess CIA Director James Woolsey, Congresswoman Sue Myrick, Judge Solice in the US vs HLF Trial, Ed Soyster Fmr Dir of the Defense Intelligence Agency, John Guandolo one the leading expert in America on Islamic Movement In America and Sharia Law also got it wrong on this benovoent Civil Rights Group.
CAIR/HAMAS has never found a terrorist to date. All are witch hunts… and smears. Guess You believe that egypt was not by the Muslim Brotherhood.. which has only two stated goals.. to establish Sharia world wide and Re establish the Global Islamic State. so much for freedom of choice.
You sir are an Islamist and therefore a supremacist bigot.
WHile there are moderate muslims like Dr. Zuddi Jasser and Tawfik Hamid I support… the enemy..CAIR/HAMAS I will not.
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It’s FORMER CIA Director…..you know he does NOT work for Obama and no one in the government today backs your racist anti American assertions. Jefferson said, “my neighbor’s religion is not my business.” Why don’ you go and actually learn American history instead of being a hateful person who acts like a 1950′s George Wallace ????
Abdul,
I think you need to study Jefferson a little closer. He owned a Quran know his enemy. A self declared enemy after decades of paying tribute to the Muslims who were raiding peaceful American Merchant ships… Barbary Pirates. The Muslim Ambassador said it was their right in accordance with the prophet and Allah to wage war on the infidel killing them, taking their goods (war booty) and taking them captive as slaves, sex slaves and in accordance with Islamic Doctrine.
WHile there are moderate Muslims… there is NO Moderate Islam. I am well versed in the trilogy… Quran and Sunna (Sira and Hadith) of Muhammad and authoritative Islamic Law.
I have esposed no HATE… read my post carefully. Now the Quran espouses hate, bigotry and evil. 67% deals with non-Muslim or Kafirs and in a hateful manner.
Only 14% of the Quran is religious in nature.. the rest is political and militaristic. Now if these are facts… and they are, Italy is right and Islam is rightfully classified a Political system and not a religion.
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It says it all that you lie on Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson detested trinitarian Christianity and it is on the record. Why don’t you quote where Mr. Jefferson bashed Islam? We know there was a Treaty of Tripoli, in which the Framers said explictly that they have nothing whatsoever against Islam. The facts and the record do not support your hate. Your hate is made up half truths meant to appeal to the ignorant. Guess there must be a big market for it in north Florida. Jefferson got freedom of the religion from the Quran. He studied the Quran, did not bash Islam and in fact bashed Christianty. I guess when the deep south hicks listen to you and nod you think it’s truth. You should be ashamed to lie on the great men who created the United States and the US Constitution.
Abdurahman… I did not lie, but you have managed to quite nicely. Google is a great tool for anyone wanting to know the truth. Try again.
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CAIR ids a terrorist funded organization and continues to have their bank accounts frozen by the FBI
Please read and take appropriate action. Comment above has link to original story with hyperlinks to the documents. This piece submitted by Chris is pure propaganda. CAIR/HAMAS funds many journalist through school… would not be surprised to find out this “journalist” was a scholarship recipient or otherwise funded by CAIR/HAMAS.
News 4 Jax posted an article yesterday in regard to racial and ethnic slurs against the new owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars Shahid Khan. http://www.news4jax.com/news/No-Commenting/New-Jaguars-owner-focus-of-jokes-slurs/-/3401944/4849292/-/nb2q0p/-/
Local Media’s decision to take a stand, and speak out against the ignorance of these bigoted slurs and statements would have been commendable, If they had stuck to the facts and not inserted their own prejudice and bigotry by slanting the story.
Immediately, WJXT/News 4 Jax began to compare the reprehensible slurs against Shahid Khan, to the opposition of Parvez Ahmed and his possible appointment to the Jacksonville Human Rights Commission…… THERE IS NO COMPARISON.
Shahid Khan has been disparaged due to his race and/or religion purely. This is the true face of bigotry, not so in the case of Parvez Ahmed. Parvez Ahmed was not opposed because of his heritage or religious views, but because of his affiliations and support of terrorist like Sami-Al Arian, and the Holy Land Charity, a source of funding of terrorism and terrorist activities.
Parvez Ahmed, was opposed with FACTS to include his (10) year leadership position, to include (4) years as the National Chairman of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is the propaganda arm of HAMAS in America according to Congresswoman Sue Myrick, Co-Founder of the Counter Terrorism Caucus.
This ridiculous comparison by WJXT/News 4 Jax, is a direct attack on the character and integrity of some of our nation’s leading National Security experts who also opposed the appointment of Parvez Ahmed in writing to our City Council and Former Mayor Peyton, as well as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and Former Muslims United (FMU). Local News Agencies refused to make the following information public…Click Links below see documents submitted to council and Fmr Mayor Peyton. If you would like a copy of the original documents contact ACTjacksonville@gmail.com
Intelligence Brief on Parvez Ahmed
Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy, CAIR under Parvez Violates FARA Act?
Ed Soyster, Fmr Director, U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency
Joesph Shmitz, Fmr Inspector General, Department of Defense
John Guandolo, Fmr Special Agent FBI, Washington Field Office, Expert on Islamic Movement / Muslim Brotherhood in the United States
Former Muslims United Parvez Ahmed denies former Muslims Equal Rights
Anti-Defamation League, Opposition letter to City and Mayor
Ali Sina Muslim Apostate, Opposition letter to City and Mayor
Parvez Ahmeds, immediate predecessor, Omar Ahmad was demoted as National Chairman when his supremacist statements went public, “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth, he said.” (Lisa Gardiner, San Ramon Valley Herald, ‘American Muslim leader urges faithful to spread Islam’s message,’ July 4, 1998)
CAIR was designated in a Federal Court as a Muslim Brotherhood Front Group, as well as a wing of the Palestine Committee aka HAMAS. CAIR/HAMAS members under Chairman Parvez Ahmed’s watch were sentenced up to 65 years in prison for their involvement with their parent organization, the Holy Land Foundation, in funding approximately $12.4 million to the families of suicide bombers and other terrorist activities.
Omar Ahmed was to be tried in a subsequent trial along with 10 other individuals in April of 2010, however, Attorney General Holder quashed these upcoming proceedings and those against 246 additional defendants despite successful convictions on 108 counts.
The fact is, Parvez Ahmed acted as a HAMAS Operative in official capacity for (10) years, and appears to be continuing to fulfill the objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood via Cultural Jihad/Sensitivity Training otherwise known as Influence Operations in the intelligence community.
Video: Parvez Ahmed, Human Rights Commission refuses to denounce Islamic Laws restricting womens Rights
Video: Parvez Ahmed Promotes Sharia Finance, which funds terrorism, calling it Socially Responsible Investing
Local News stories continuously labeled ACT! for America and the local Chapter as a racists and bigots, without a single statement to corroborate those claims during the entire controversy. ACT! for America and its members, made only factual statements which could easily be verified.
ACT! for America’s founder is a Lebanese Arab and its membership is very diverse. ACT! for America, works with Muslims, former Muslims, Arabs, Jews, and people of all races, religions, and sexual orientation and does not fit the profile of a Bigot, hatemonger, or other terms used by local media to disparage it.
We call on all Citizens to call News 4 Jax and write letters to the appropriate staff/leadership, as well as other local media regarding their continued bias and to demand they begin to be ethical in their reporting and stop using Parvez Ahmed as the poster victim of hate and bigotry in Jacksonville. Citizens deserve to know ALL the FACTS concerning Parvez Ahmed and his ties to terrorist organizations.
WJXT News – producer@wjxt.com
[all other email addresses have been removed, go get them yourself]
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Very good posting Randy. The ones who claim we are oh so intolerant and racist are either complicit in the agenda of what is going on as outlined by the Quran or totally ignorant of all implications.
Aren’t you morons so adamant about restricting the rights of a religious minority and needlessly demonizing them? And you complain about others being intolerant, shut the fuck up Bachmann and go picket a Planned Parenthood office instead.
Thank you Shannon,
The Three I’s – Ignorant, Incompetent, or In Bed (Ideologicaly, Monetarily, or otherwise).
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So what is the new game plan for the jaguars? They going to wear suicide bomb belts now to blow up the opposing teams?
LOL!!
I thought I was reading CAIR website/news. I had to re-check the link twice to find out the level of submission this author went.
Let me remind one wise quote from Winston Churchill:
‘An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile – hoping it will eat him last.’
What the hell are you talking about you nutjob. Should colored people be suspicious of whites by the rate of racism in their communities?
Adam,
Islam is not a race. but bigotry is reprehensible, but so is this article or more aptly PROPAGANDA PIECE.
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Islam isn’t a race, but Muslims are seen as a “race” aka brown people by racist white trash like you. Your types have attacked Sikhs, Hindus, Mexicans and others who “look” Muslim.
You group “ACT” is nothing but an israeli outfit promoting Zionism goals, one of which is Islamophobia.
Islam is a sexual perversion. Mohammad was a child molester so it can hardly be called a religion
LOL Funny SLICK..you just showed how stupid you are..MOSLEMS COME IN ALL COLORS..blond blue eyed like Jihad Jane who got arrested last year…ACT! for AMERICA is owned by a LEBANESE BROWN SKINNED WOMAN you idiot…..Brigitte Gabriel..”SLICK” you really are not slick enough to even get involved in this discussion…
Proud Kafucktard,
I remember very well during the Ground Zero protests last year when 2 idiot opportunistic Coptic Christians flew from southern California to attend the protests only to be fearing for their lives when the retarded protesters thought they were Arab Muslim lol
What makes you think Brigitte Gabriel (who does not even look remotely Lebanese to begin with) would somehow avoid the same trap?
SLICK,
ACT is run by a Lebanese Arab Woman, we work with Muslims, former Muslims, Sikhs, and have every race represented, as well.
Some Islamist want to be seen as a race.. in order to further their agenda regarding hate crimes. Can Christianity be seen as a race? Double standard I think… are you a Bigot?
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why would they be suspicious they have had 50 years of quota advancement
ISLAM is a TROJAN HORSE. Unlike the fully assembled Trojan Horse showed up in front of ancient Troy, modern day Trojan Horse is completely sent un-assembled in million of small packages to Kafir Lands. Every Muslim visiting/immigrating to Non-Muslim lands represent one part of that un-assembled GAINT TORJAN HORSE.
Please wake up. Before Islam destroy everyone. See the proof of this in 57 and growing Islamic countries. Here are some great sites to aware and act against this threat.
http://www.FAITHFREEDOM.org
http://www.THERELIGIONOFPEACE.com
http://www.JIHADWATCH.org
Paranoia
Poor Adam..too dumbed down to see facts..good luck to you. IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD SEE moslems are on a global jihad. If you could see the FACTS and the actions of what is going on around the world you too would be standing up against ISLAM..but some will not survive because they are not smart enough to see the enemy at the gate…that would be YOU ADAM and “SLICK”…..
Thanks for linking to neo-Nazi genocidal hate sites, slimy. Try this one :
http://www.loonwatch.com
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the link is to obama’s political philosophy. His socialist views mimic Germany in the 30′s and 40′s
For goodness sake why does everything have to descend into a political debate. Are their no more sane adults on the internet anymore, just the conspiracy freaks and spiteful xenophobes.
or libs who think everyome with $$$ owes it to them
Islam is POLITICAL..learn something before you try to get involved…lol wwwlpoliticalislam.com
The good thing about the internet is anyone can post what they think for the whole world to see. The bad thing about the internet: ANYONE can post what they think for the whole world to see. Hateful people hide behind screen names and now have an outlet to say hateful stupid things. To try to respond to the gathering of nuts is tantamount to going outside and standing over a pile of poop with a fly swatter. Best to let the smell die down and the flies will scatter again. Religious hate is clearly un-American and defies basic ideas of the US Constitution, so once again, the author the comments here prove the author’s point and there must really be a huge collection of hicks in the Jacksonville area. Glad I don’t live there. I know Parvez. He is no terrorist. It really shows the uneducated racist nature of northern Florida that he is nominated for a peace prize and the nuts come out of the woodwork with their prejudiced bared for the whole world to see. Can you spell…..the internationals and big money will run from the Jacksonville area the more these nuts are given a forum! Haters” go take your shotgun, shoot some possum and pull down your straw hat…ya’ hear?
yea you must live with the gays and anarchists
I wonder about the same thing myself if all the responsible adults left the internet for immature kids. I don’t care what his faith is as long as we are winning games and sending other team crying to mamma…
Will the fans be required to wash their feet before entering the stadium? Will women fans have to wear the burka??
Naw, but you’ll have to show up to the games without your hood.
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Really….Khan should pack up and leave for LA.. the second he has a chance…..Stupid rednecks in north Florida have no reason to have a freakin NFL team. Jacksonville is a trailer park wasteland….utter garbage
Yea LA the city that can’t pay its bill and is a communist mecca
I hope he goes to LA..there are more people getting shot there just for existing
Maybe the GANG LIFE will suit the team better in LA.
In case you are that stupid…Red necks do not try to force their beliefs on others..do not SUE employers to be able to wear RELIGIOUS head gear that does not fit with the uniforms (ie: DISNEY LAWSUIT), Red necks do not SUE for ISLAMIC HOLIDAYS HALAL FOOD and special prayer breaks (Ie: Tyson foods lawsuits)…I would take 10000 red necks over 1 whining inbred moslem any day
I never heard of a red neck boarding a plane with a bomb in his UNDERWEAR trying to kill innocent people..can not say that for MOSLEMS…lol
Proud Kafir excellent comments regarding the the Islamic demands for special considerations. The. ones who have stated that we are a bunch of red neck racist are ignorant of the history of Muslim faith and the outline of conquest of other nations and the free people of those nations by the Quran
How’s the Planned Parenthood protests going? You gonna go pray the gay away like your beloved social nutjob Michelle Bachmann? Dont you have a women’s clinic to firebomb since we all know your type are against women being given the choice to control their fertility?
All of us are immigrants of this fine land. We left our mother countries because of the intolerance that was or is still left there. Why are we taking steps/leaps backward. Its not the muslims from this country who are attacking we want to help u catch the loonies that represent our religion. I want to defend the country that lets me be the true muslim that I am, because the country where I am from knows nothing of what freedom to pray really means.
Inexile,
The Islamist who attack do so in accordance with all Authortative Islamic Scripture and text. They are not loonies. Dr. Zuddi Jasser and Tawfik Hamid, have my support. The speak publicly against Parvez Ahmed, and CAIR and other Muslim Brotherhood Front Groups. In my piece I wrote and attached below I DEFENDED SHAHID KHAN, against the bigoted slurs… but this article is a bigoted attack piece on groups like ACT for America and others.
This is biased reporting.
I welcome all who want to practice the religious components of Islam… and not the political aspects or Sharia. However, when a Muslim does so …like Dr. Jasser and Tawfik Hamid they are labled apostates by their fellow Muslims and they are doctinally correct.
Therin lies the problem. Many Muslim in America are moderate, but are so because they do not subscribe to all of sharia. But All of Sharia is in accordance with the Quran and and the Sunna of Muhammad to deny any of it is blasphemy. So you are a good secular Muslim and apostate or a adherent Muslim and a deciever by Islamic Doctrine.
There are Moderate or Secular Muslims …. There is NO MODERATE ISLAM OR SHARIA
If I am wrong please site the scripture or Islamic law which proves me wrong?
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Get a job you wingnut and stop spending so much time trolling and spreading propaganda. We don’t want any more Anders Breivik’s in this world. You want more dead liberal American kids?
We don’t have dead liberal American kids….Insane people kill people..Anders is found to be insane…ever notice moslems when they kill usually take themselves out with their victims…lol that is always a plus…
FACTS about Islam are not propaganda….but liberals never seem to be able to get the FACTS on anything…followers without a clue.
Your lot who whine about Muslims taking over and sharia this sharia that are obviously insane idiots who daydream about gang-raping Muslim women as your Serbian heroes did in the 90s.
Oh and I’m not a liberal you fascist clown. I’m a staunch conservative who is ready to take back conservatism from bigoted evangelical fucksticks like yourself.
If you have a problem Proud Kafucktard, I would be more than delighted to deal with this personally, but knowing your type you would run away when confronted like the little bitch that you are.
Put up or shut up fascist prick.
hi Randy,
you impressed by how much you know about islam, except for few things that unfortunately, doesn’t get translated right in the quran you read..
I will try to explain to you the word KAFIR, since it is causing lots of misunderstanding, and driving you nuts!.
KAFER is from the verb KAFAR [like actor from the verb act]..
KAFAR in arabic is also used in english.. and that is COVER… it has the same exact meaning… “hiding”.. and the quranic use for Kafer refers to people who knows the truth and hide it.. so, the people that witnessed the prophet Moses[for example] and saw all his miracles and did not believe in his message are called Kafir, similarly with all the prophets from God, people who listened to them, saw them, were able to ask them questions.. and then did not believe in them are “KAFER”..
now, you can see, once I am using the term KAFER against anyone I am assuming that he knows the truth and he is hiding/rejecting it.. which is impossible for me to claim…. I don’t know what you do and don’t know, you might be following the truth to the best you can.. I am not a prophet from GOD to have the tool to present to you the evidence that should make you know what is the truth.. you might actually be seeking GOD more than me… it is not for me to say.
so, yes, I am a muslem, and I don’t have any ill feeling toward you, and I am following the true teaching of Islam, and am not using Taqiyya.
Jo,
the fact that you try to deceive with this propaganda let me know you are not only a Muslim…. But an Islamist.
From Umdat Al Saik or Sacred Islamic Law Manual
(11) to say that a Muslim is an unbeliever (kafir) (dis: w47) in words that are uninterpretable as
merely meaning he is an ingrate towards Allah for divinely given blessings (n: in Arabic, also “kafir”);
THE QUALIFICATIONS OF A CALIPH
O25.3 (Nawawi:) among the qualifications of the caliph are that he be:
(a) Muslim (H: so that he may see to the best interests of Islam and the Muslims (K: it being invalid
to appoint a non-Muslims (K: it being invalid to appoint a non-Muslim (kafir) to authority, even to rule
non-Muslim.)
p18.3 As for someone who accuses the Mother of the Faithful ‘A’isha of adultery after the revelation
from heaven of her innocence (Koran 24:11-12), such a person is an unbeliever (kafir) denying the
Koran and must be killed.
f1.3 Someone raised among Muslims who denies the obligatoriness of the prayer, zakat, fasting
Ramadan, the pilgrimage, or the unlawfulness of wine and adultery, or denies something else upon
which there is scholarly consensus (ijma`, def:b7) and which is necessarily known as being of the religion
(N: necessarily known meaning things that any Muslim would know about if asked) thereby becomes an
unbeliever (kafir0 and is executed for his unbelief (O: if he does not admit he is mistaken and acknowledge
the Obligatoriness or unlawfulness of that which there is scholarly consensus upon.
Apostates or enemies of the State.. and become Kafirs (unbelievers) and therefore must be killed in accordance with Authoritative Islamic Doctrine… as delared by all 4 sunni schools and both major shia schools of Islamic Jurisprudence.
o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who
deserves to die).
“The killing of a believer is more heinous in Allah’s sight that doing away with all of this world.”
Allah Most High says:
“… and not to slay the soul that Allah has forbidden, except with right” (Koran 6:151), and,
“O you who believe, retaliation is prescribed for you regarding the slain…” (Koran 2:178).)
o1.1 Retaliation is obligatory (A: if the person entitled wishes to take it (dis: o3.8)) against anyone who
kills a human being purely intentionally and without right. (O: Intentionally is a first restriction and
excludes killing someone through an honest mistake, while purely excludes a mistake made in a
deliberate injury (def: o2.3), and without right excludes cases of justifiable homicide such as lawful
retaliation.)
o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
(1) a child or insane person, under any circumstances (O: whether Muslim or non-Muslim.
The ruling for a person intermitently insane is that he is considered as a sane person when in his right
mind, and as if someone continously insane when in an interval of insanity. If someone against whom
retaliation is obligatory subsequently becomes insane, the full penalty is nevertheless exacted. A
homicide committed by someone who is drunk is (A: considered the same as that of a sane person,) like
his pronouncing divorce (dis: n1.2));
(2) a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim; MUSLIMS ARE ALLOWED TO KILL NON MUSLIMS>…hmmmm
(3) a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a
subject of the state is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences);
(4) a father or mother (or their fathers of mothers) fir killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring;
(5) nor is retaliation permissible to a descendant for (A: his ancestor’s) killing someone whose death
would otherwise entitle the descendant to retaliate, such as when his father kills his mother.
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Randy,
I read your reply, it is like you want to say: “no,no Jo.. you are wrong about the meaning of Kafir..let me tell you the right meaning of Kafir.. and here is the evidence…etc!!!”
Randy, with all due respect to your knowledge about Islam.. you are wrong about your conclusions.. it is obvious how you use your knowledge to present your point..
let me teach you a thing or 2 about Islam that hopefully will clear thing for you..
1- for you to say this is a fact.. it should be an authentic saying of the prophet with clear interpretation.. or a verse from the quran with clear interpretation… your manual doesn’t not present a fact for any mulsem.. it is just an opinion that can be right or wrong.
2- in Islam, I need only one authentic evidence to do something right like helping someone in need [even if he is a nonmulsem randy].. but to do something of harming nature [like your proposal that a muslem should kill so and so] it is not enough to get an authentic evidence.. but rather it is by asking the question, did the prophet muhammad apply this law everytime. and the search becomes where the prophet did not apply this law in this circumstance and this clarify the application of the law..
it is like here in the US, if there is a case against you in court where you breached the law, then your attorney’s job would be to find a similar case happened in the past where the law was not applied, then to argue in your behalf that the law should not be applied against you…
I am saying this to explain to you the law against apostate in islam… the question here, did the prophet muhammad applied the law on every apostate in his time.. you can find the answer for this question… NO HE DID NOT.. there are at least 2 I know of where the prophet did not apply the law.. and this open the discussion of what is this law supposed to serve then… and then you get your answer with little education.. it is a punishment for treason..
3-and this is probably the most important.. when you talk about law [any law]… you must talk about the judge… you can’t say that the law is to be applied by ordinary people.. this is not the way law is practiced in this country, nor in any place in history… the moment people apply the law.. it becomes chaos.. regardless of who, where and when. so, what ever manual your read, it is not for me as a muslem to apply the law. it need to be applied by a judge… now you are thinking; I will get a mulla to be the judge so I enforce “SHARIA LAW”.. another mistake you will do.. because the component here is “JUSTICE”.. meaning, we need LAW, a JUDE, and JUSTICE.. in which I can’t choose the judge in a case I am involved in.. or otherwise, where is justice???!!.
So Randy,
I don’t know if you got the point or not.. I am not using TAQQIYA here.. I am trying to explain few foundations of Islam, of which without them, you can read a lot, but you can’t get so far!!
and to help you out in your quest.. your claim should be:
“ALL” “CURRENT” “MUSLEM SCHOLARS IN THE FIELD OF INTEREST” “AGREE” THAT “MUSLEMS SHOULD KILL ANY NONMUSLEM EVEN WHO ARE NOT AT WAR WITH” “ACCORDING TO THE AUTHENTIC EVIDENCE FROM QURAN AND SUNNA”.
FINALLY, THIS IS NOT PROPAGANDA…THIS IS HOW WE MULSEMS [NOT ISLAMIST] UNDERSTAND ISLAM…
BEST WISHES.
MORE DECEPTION.
These are not opinions but Approved Sacred Islamic Law which has Ijma or Scholarly Consensus.
It hasthe seal of aproval from Al Azhar Univisrity, Fiqh Council of Jedda, Grand Mufti of Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, the Fiqh Council of N. America, and The International Institute of Islamic Thought….
SO are you trying to tell me all these authorities have their Islam WRONG and YOU sir have it right??????
LOL
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I am trying to chase you to see where you want to go..
lets see, you finished with the “ijmaa” or consensus of muslem scholars.. OK, this sounds authentic.. but on what exactly…?
don’t try to mix your rubbish with some brand labels to distribute your lies.. you are using propaganda..
now that I taught you to use sound evidence when you want to say anything about Islam… BRAVO… this is how you should always be..
now my dear..
match these institutions approval with your claims…
continue your good job.. show me their statements about your claims where we should kill you, or other rubbish of your propaganda..
remember, you know the way now,so, don’t use your hundreds of years old manuals and quotes, it doesn’t work this way.
good luck.
JO….Jo, Jo, Jo,
First lets do this. Grow a pair and give your full name as I have.
then I want you to denounce the Umdat Al Salik, the authorities who have apporved them, and the specific verses I have cited in writing on this blog.
Then you might start to get our attention. Mr. Taqiyya have a good day.
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R,
you are ignoring the islamic methods by which muslems apply Islam in their life.. or in a broader aspect by which any person apply the related law in his life.. and this is your problem.. not mine.
if you are so obsessed about your book.. let me tell you about the story of a way more important book about islamic law. and written by a way more significant author than the one who wrote your book..
Have you heard about ALMUWATTA’A.. or MUWATTA’A MALIK.
let me give you little background.. the author is Imam Malik bin Anas.. he is the founder of Maliki school of thought. one of the four main school of thoughts in Islam..
about the book: this was THE FIRST written Islamic book of law, the author spent 40 years writing it.. the book was then approved by all 70 scholars living in “HEJAZ” at the time.. the book was and still till now a reference in islamic institutions all around the world.. if you compare your book to this one, there is no comparison..
now, when this book was written, the ruler “Khalifa” at that time was so excited about this effort, and asked for a copy of that book to be distributed all around the States under his governance and that included all north Africa to India in the east and all that in between.. so [per the ruler opinion] their will be one law for all…
sounds good so far?.. well, Imam Malik refused the proposal!!!!. he told the ruler that each area or group of muslim recieved the evidence and interpreted it according to their own understanding. so, don’t enforce my book on them.. and the ruler told him, may GOD bless you… and the book WAS NOT APPLIED TOWARD ALL MUSLEMS.
so, R, if a book of that magnitude did not apply toward “MUSLEMS”, living in the same time but in different place.. how can we even consider a book that doesn’t belong to either time, place, or people of interest ..!!!!!!
R, stop bullying people and do yourself a favor and learn some principals.. there has been few conferences here in the us put together by real academic professionals in law schools who has real curiousity about islamic law.. now I am sure you have no academic background neither in law in general nor in Islamic law.. but am sure you will learn something.
finally, about Taqiyya.. this is easy matter to solve.. you can easily become an undercover and find for yourself.. all you need to become a muslem is to say 2 sentences.. no body will put you through lie detection maschine.. once you are a muslem, you will get to have an inside look into muslems.. and if you find muslems think the way you claims.. don’t hesitate to call the FBI.. and I am as a muslem will be grateful for your acts to stop criminals.
good luck.
Jo, & MYA, and any other Muslim on this forum. Since each of you are freedom loving American Muslims who abide by the constitution over Allah’s law… obey the law of the land in contradiction to Islamic law… then you will have no problem signing this document by former Muslim who simply want to exercise their US Constitutional Right to worship the religion of their choice or no religion.
This has been sent to every Mosque in Florida and Islamic Center as well as every CAIR leader, to include Parvez Ahmed and Ahmed Bedier (Human Rights Commissions in Tampa and Jacksonville) yet all refuse to sign.
Please be the first acknowledge these freedoms which are diamtrically opposed to Sharia Law… opps then dont you become an apostate? perhaps that is why none would sign it?
The Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom
And Safety from Harm for Former Muslims
Whereas:
All four schools of Sunni Islamic law (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali), as well as the main schools of Shia Islamic law, unanimously agree that a former Muslim male, also known as an apostate, must be executed.
While some hold that an apostate woman should also be executed, the Encyclopedia of Islamic Law: A compendium of the Major Schools, adapted by Laleh Bakhtiar, states that she should be imprisoned or beaten five times a day until she repents or dies. These specific world renowned Islamic legal authorities join in this consensus:
Head of the Fatawa Council of Al-Azhr, Abdullah al-Mishadd, of Al-Azhar University, the pre-eminent Shariah legal authority, Fatwa issued September 23, 1978: “This man has committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah.
As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed…”*
Mufti of Lebanon, Beirut, Fatwa issued November 13, 1989: “Now, should the apostate (male or female) persist in his apostasy, he should be given the opportunity to repent, prior to his being put to death, out of respect for his Islam.
A misunderstanding on his part may have taken place, and there would thus be an opportunity to rectify it. Often apostasy takes place on account of an offer (of inducement). So Islam must be presented to the apostate, things should be clarified, and his sin made manifest.
He should be imprisoned for three days, so that he may have the opportunity to reflect upon his situation. This three-day period has been deemed adequate. But if the man or the woman has not repented of his or her raddah, but has continued to persist in it, then he or she should be put to death…”*
Ibn Rushd (Averroes), The Distinguished Jurist’s Primer, “Chapter on the Hukm of the Murtadd (Apostate),” Volume II, (p. 552), Section 56.10: “An apostate, if taken captive before he declares war, is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet (God’s peace and blessings be upon him), “Slay those who change their din:.
They disagreed about the execution of a woman and whether she to be required to repent before execution. The majority said that a woman (apostate) is to be executed…”
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, Reliance of the Traveller, translation approved by Al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy and IIIT, 1994 (p. 595): “ o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed….o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserves to die).”
Ismail R. Al-Faruki , the Founder of International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), Islam, 1979 (p. 68): “That is why Islamic Law has treated people who have converted out of Islam as political traitors…[Islam] must deal with the traitors when convicted after due process of law either with banishment, life imprisonment, or capital punishment…but once their conversion is proclaimed, they must be dealt with as traitors to the state.”
Louay Safi, the former Executive Director of IIIT and the Executive Director of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Leadership Development Center, Peace and the Limits of War, IIIT publication, 2003 (p. 25): “A quiet desertion of personal Islamic duties is not a sufficient reason for inflicting death on a person. Only when the person’s desertion of Islam is used as a political tool for instigating a state of disorder, or revolting against the law of Islam, can the individual apostate then be put to death as a just punishment for his act of treason and betrayal of the Muslim community.”
Shaikh Syed Abul A’ala Maududi, Pakistani Islamic authority, The Punishment of the Apostate According to Islamic Law, translation by Syed Silas Husain, 1994: “In any case the heart of the matter is that children born of Muslim lineage will be considered Muslims and according to Islamic law the door of apostasy will never be opened to them. If anyone of them renounces Islam, he will be as deserving of execution as the person who has renounced kufr to become a Muslim and again has chosen the way of kufr. All the jurists of Islam agree with this decision. On this topic absolutely no difference exists among the experts of shari’ah.”
Therefore:
To support the civil rights of former Muslims, also known as apostates from Islam, I sign “The Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom and Safety from Harm for Former Muslims”:
I renounce, repudiate and oppose any physical intimidation, or worldly and corporal punishment, of apostates from Islam, in whatever way that punishment may be determined or carried out by myself or any other Muslim including the family of the apostate, community, Mosque leaders, Shariah court or judge, and Muslim government or regime.
Signature: _________________________________________________________________________
Printed Name: _____________________________________________________________________
Organization/Title: __________________________________________________________________
Date: _____________________________________________________________________________
Please mail your signed pledge to Former Muslims United, 11856 Balboa Boulevard, #241, Granada Hills CA 91344. For more information contact info@formermuslimsunited.org. *Complete fatwa texts posted at http://www.formermuslimsunited.org .
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Randy,
you are soooooo right….we will NEVER sign any nonsense put in front of us by our enemies as if we need to sign a loyalty pledge or carry a card in our wallets in case we are stoppe as if we need to prove we are acceptable Muslims to you. But if you want, we will sign a paper swearing to fight for your and YOUR right to leave your religion any time you wish. Just set up the website and the link and we are there baby….when will you volunteer to become Muslim so we can defend your “right” to practice the religion you chooose?
Abdurahmanx,
Thank you for your REVEALING Non-Muslims as the ENEMY of Muslims and your disloyalty to America in your last post… I will Post and pick apart (my comments in parenthesis):
you are soooooo right….we (Muslims) will NEVER sign any nonsense put in front of us by our enemies (Non-Muslims/Former Muslims/enemies of the state/ummah) as if we need to sign a loyalty pledge or carry a card in our wallets in case we are stoppe as if we need to prove we are acceptable Muslims to you (Consistent with Quran Muslims are superior to all otheres) . But if you want, we will sign a paper swearing to fight for your and YOUR right to leave your religion any time you wish. Just set up the website and the link and we are there baby….when will you volunteer to become Muslim so we can defend your “right” to practice the religion you chooose? (No Choice… I had to volunteer to become a Muslim….LOL you mean defend my right to practice Islam… you can not defend the right for Non-Muslims to practice their religion…unless under protection Like the Mafia Tax for people of the book approx 50% wealth given to Islamic war machine).
You in one short paragraph Identified FREEDOM Loving Muslims who have Integrated and Non-Muslims as the enemy of Islam, you were greatly vexed you as a Muslim (Muslims – who are the greatest of peoples in accordance with the Quran) would have to prove anything to a Non-Muslim (The most vile of Creatures in accordance with the Quran and the self sworn enemy of Allah, the Prophet, and Muslims)
Then in accordance with the Quran, I must volunteer to become a MUSLIM before you will defend my right to worship the religion “of my Choice”.
As one who understands Islamic Doctrine, duality, progressive revealation, Abrogation, and Taqiyya (holy deception) Kitman (lying by omission), Permissible lying as laid out in Islamic Law…. you do not fool me.
Everything you have said is in complete conformance with SHARIA LAW and a devout Islamist with the same objectives of the prophet and Allah…conversion of the whole of the world to Islam by force if necessary.
Thanks for being so candid.
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Randy,
first,thank you for not calling me names this time..
now, I read your “full of evidence” statement.. I am sure many muslems have no idea or background about this you are presenting..
saying this, you still don’t have a case.. and here is why:
1- you won’t find a muslem who would object to the clear revelation of the quran and hadith.. period.. this has been the essence of Islam being authentic unaltered since the get go.. but you can put your concern in the following format; if you tell me that certain muslem scholar living now said that muslems should go and hunt for apostates in the US and kill them to apply Islamic law.. this is going to be outrageous to me as a muslem for 2 reasons, if he is living outside the US then he should mind his own business.. and if he is within the US, then he should abide by the law of the land.
so, your pledge should be rewritten to reflects genuine concerns.
2-i want to shed extra light at the case with apostasy.. it is causing lots of hateful input from you and many others.. and the reason is: muslems are not really familiar with it.. meaning, we, ordinry muslems don’t see this happening on such a scale to see and examine the practice of this law.. so, in many cases, all we know about is the law itself on papers.. in other words, we know the law clearly but only few know the exceptions. have you heard the common saying “when we are young we know the rule, when we are old we know the exception.”
example.. you surely know the islamic law with stealing. it is hand cut at the wrist.. but do you know how many times it was applied.. it was applied 6 times only through the first 400 years of the islamic state. we are talking about millions of people here.
back to apostasy; using the principles; we have the law, in this case it is not only that we need a judge to issue the court order here as a valid legal system [not for ordinary people to apply the law as they see fit] but rather, in this particular case.. and according to scholar “IJMA’A”; it needs a political court.. meaning the judgement should be a national matter ruled by the highest level of authority.. not just ordinary judges.
this matter has more details and teachings to it that needs lectures.. and the reason for this is simple; although the law is clear as you mentioned in your “evidences”.. the reality is, the prophet Muhammad “PBUH” did not apply it toward every apostate he encountered. and as I mentioned before, the question here is why.. and this will guide you to understand the purpose of the law which is to punish treason not apostasy itself.
Finally, your list of accusations toward Islam goes on and on.. am sure. I hope your approach to be objective seeking truth.
good luck
Jo,
The preponderence of evidence and legal rulings are in my favor. But your response is not only typical but was anticipated.
It is up to YOU to provide evidence and NOT YOUR OPOINION that these authortative Islamic legal rulings binding on the UMMAH or Islamic Community which recognizes no boundaries of nations does not some how apply to America!
2nd, honor killings are on the rise in America, but it is not a prevalent as it is in the United Kingdom which had over 3000 reported cases last year… that is just what was reported and many precints would not submit their data.
And in countries which have higher concentrations of Muslims the stats climb wildly.
This is due to PROGRESSIVE REVEALATION and in America Muslims as a whole in America are just moving out of the 1st Meccan period (when Islam was a Pure Relgion) and into the Medina Period (where Muhammad became a Political and Military Leader and began Jihad… Birth of Political Islam)….
Just as Muhammad the warrior stated..when weaker get along to go along until stronger than the enemy. This is the only reason for a truce as well as Identified in the battle of Hudabiya and no truce shall last more than 10 years.
Please list one Fatwah or legal opinion in support of your opinion or personal claim which states the Islamic Law does not apply to all of the Ummah or Islamic Nation. One that sais somehow American Muslims are exempt, in addition Muslims are to wage Jihad until SHARIA becomes the Law of the Land…not so in Judaism or Christianity.
Man made law is the hightest form of SHIRK and Muslims are to hate and despise the government they live under until such time they can make it Islamic…they are to hate in their heart while smiling in the face of some to achieve their goals… one form of Jihad.
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JO,
IN your opening statement you said I had NO CASE:
(your Statement)
you still don’t have a case.. and here is why:
1- you won’t find a muslem who would object to the clear revelation of the quran and hadith.. period.. this has been the essence of Islam being authentic unaltered since the get go
(My Rebuttal)
The Pledge for Religious Freedom… list sacred islamic law and legal opinions which calls for the death of an apostate (one who leaves Islam/Enemy of the State) and is these Unaltered opinion as you stated are clear revealation from the Quran and Hadith, which is why NO MUSLIM WILL SIGN this DOCUMENT as you stated.
The Pledge is a tool to show the BARBARIC and INTOLERANT nature of ISLAM and SHARIA ADHERENT MUSLIMS, which by the way all Mosques and Islamic Centers in Florida, as well as Parvez Ahmed, Ahmed Bedier, Manal Fakoury, and other Human Rights and Civic Leaders refuse to sign, due to their conformance to SHARIA LAW.
You just stated NO MUSLIM would sign such a document because it goes against the Clear Revealations of the Quran and Hadith… THANKS FOR PROVING MY CASE!!!!!
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What a bunch of d… bags. A shame to America and Christianity. No life, no class. You all don’t represent me.
Thank you shela, idiots will always look for someone to hate.
Ever been to Jacksonville? Its a racist as hell. Case Closed!
Good lord, some of these comments are ridiciolus. Those who assume all Muslims are the same are as ignnornat as those who beleive all whites are racist or all blacks steal. The stupidity is sickening.
It shouldn’t matter what his religion is. Do you mention your a christian or a jew in every conversation? When someone buys another company do they say Bob the christian bought this company or Mike the jew did this. Come on people.
How about Hells Angels? How about Nazis? If a person identifies themselves as being a member of such collectives, one would be an idiot to not take suitable precautions to protect themself from the avowed member. If you don’t know what Hells Angels or Nazis stand for, you should educate yourself.
If a person identifies themself as being a member of the Muslim collective, one would similarly be an idiot to not protect themeself from the avowed member. If you don’t know what Muslims stand for, you should educate yourself.
Clearly a persons “religion” does matter.
How do you feel about this white American who spraypainted a Japanese car in light of today being the 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbor and promptly got his ass beat? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRdLd-T5rp0
To you anti-Muslim bigots, this is what will happen to you if you run your mouth off and act like there are no consequences to the garbage you’re spewing.
Stupidity is the PROUD AMERICAN who does not educate themselves on the enemy at their own door…No one mentions RELIGION but MOSLEMS if you pay attention
They call themselves MOSLEM AMERICANS…no one calls themselves CHRISTIAN AMERICANS….then again you would have to pull your head out of your ass long enough to see that there is no MODERATE ISLAM there is only ISLAM…Erdogan the PM of TURKEY stated that in 2007…
Also If you are moslem then you are to spread ISLAM and commit JIHAD..Jihad comes in all sorts of ways not just bombing
Learn more about ISLAM and help save your own COUNTRY because they do want to take America over…you can find videos of moslems chanting DEATH TO AMERICA ad burning our flags..in AMERICA…this website will give you a clue 
It is owned by AMERICAN MOSLEMS….shariah4America.com
THOSE WHO ASSUME ALL MOSLEMS ARE NOT THE SAME ARE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING ONE DAY…after all the people caught trying to blow up NEW YORK each week or two were seen as NORMAL everyday people..yet always MOSLEMS…lol
Just do us all a favor and don’t try to shoot up a Democrat youth camp. After all, it is the fantasy of you wingnuts on killing the children of Democrat politicians. Fuckwits like you made me leave the GOP since it’s been taken over by bigoted asswipes like you who are too pussy to confront the people you hate.
Name calling removes the validity from the argument. Here are a few facts. Christians are taught to propagate their faith amongst other people. Muslims are taught to propagate their faith amongst other people. For anyone to say, “Muslims are not coming to the US to spark change and influence the culture” are either extremely ignorant of Muslim faith or simply avoiding the truth. It is –what it is; Islam like Christianity demands that people at least try to teach people about the faith. The problem is that once you become a Muslim you can’t back out. To do so would be punishable by death. I find that interesting. I wonder if that’s where the cell phone companies got the idea for a 2 year contract. Once you’re in, you’re in; which brings me to a larger question. If Muslims are allowed to lie to non believers how do you know that what you are told before conversion is true? Do I think that every Muslim is trying to institute Sharia Law in the US? No. Do I think that the majority of Muslims have a negative view of this country? Yes. This country’s founding goes against the teachings of Islam, because as an earlier comment stated, Islam is a political ideology. It’s like saying that true communists can live in America. They can’t. True communists would want to live in a communist society. The same goes for Muslims Sharia Law is not implemented in the US so they cannot abide by the rules of their teachings. It’s why Sharia Law is creeping into the UK, for Muslims to fully practice their faith it’s required.
Not Muslim, but you might want to familiarize yourself. It’s in their Islamic law to abide by the laws of the land they migrate to.
More American Christians are loyal to their faith than they are to America, more so than American Muslims. That’s a fact that you can’t dispute.
I went to college with Shad Kahn. He’s a great guy- funny, smart, and very nice. He’s an American success story.